tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post3362265962714386273..comments2024-03-27T14:43:28.040+05:30Comments on Musings of Dheeraj Sanghi: History of IIT JEEDheeraj Sanghihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-27197514124967048902017-07-08T11:35:15.760+05:302017-07-08T11:35:15.760+05:3020 year baad etihaas dhoraya IIT jee 201720 year baad etihaas dhoraya IIT jee 2017Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01894032758846213751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-78907602607448263432016-05-17T17:41:13.528+05:302016-05-17T17:41:13.528+05:30@Jai, JEE started in 1962. It was called CEE - Com...@Jai, JEE started in 1962. It was called CEE - Combined Entrance Exam at that time, and included a paper on engineering drawing.<br />Dheeraj Sanghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-55992097894940283522016-05-17T17:04:29.009+05:302016-05-17T17:04:29.009+05:30sir, can you tell when jee started?sir, can you tell when jee started?jaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03171051405773755369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-58793926145085227682015-06-01T13:01:11.676+05:302015-06-01T13:01:11.676+05:30@Siddharth, The answerbooks are destroyed within s...@Siddharth, The answerbooks are destroyed within six months of the exam.Dheeraj Sanghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-24837076670145151932015-05-31T21:23:33.742+05:302015-05-31T21:23:33.742+05:30Sir just on reading some comment of yours regardin...Sir just on reading some comment of yours regarding fear of RTI in doing grading of answer sheets, my very old wish of seeing my own IIT JEE 2004 answer copy of mathematics is reignited. Just want to know if you can help me in knowing can I get that answer sheet copy now and if to whom I should address this application ?Siddharth Jainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11247226392748180538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-67055881716698792362015-02-22T21:21:07.644+05:302015-02-22T21:21:07.644+05:30One of the greatest flaws with the UG system of ad...One of the greatest flaws with the UG system of admission in IITs is the random allocation of Branches or streams regardless of whether the candidate has aptitude for the particular branch or not. <br /><br />1. The first year should allow the student to see the real picture of the various streams.<br /><br />2.the allocation of branches should be done after the first year of study.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00748138219985590869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-38940886609444608072015-01-23T22:04:40.758+05:302015-01-23T22:04:40.758+05:30@Prashant, Many answers to your question. IITs ins...@Prashant, Many answers to your question. IITs insisted on a second test (JEE - Advanced) because they said that it will allow them to have a test with narrative answers. However, after JEE Advanced was agreed upon, IITs started having a cold feet about grading such questions in a consistent way, and what if RTI reveals some problems in grading. Frankly, the whole JEE issue within IITs is dictated more by fear of lawsuits than by the goal of admitting great students.<br /><br />The second reason for a second test was that the first test was supposed to be like a public test where the result will be more uniform distribution, while the second test is supposed to be a test whose result has a long tail, so that we can select top 10,000 students, and it is less of a lottery. Of course, I don't think any faculty member in IIT system has ever tried to do a study of the question paper after the results are out and tried to figure out what were easy/moderate/difficult questions and what is more likely to result in a kind of distribution that we desire for our admission.<br /><br />Third reason for the 2nd test was that we had no trust in anyone. Even if CBSE had agreed to let us decide the curriculum for the test, and also set the question paper, we would think that it is a sop for only one year, and the next year, all of them will force us to make changes. A 2nd test is immune from such pressures. Also, even though CBSE had conducted AIEEE pretty well till then, we at IITs felt that we do a better job of managing JEE, but we did not want to manage that for 10-15 lakh students.Dheeraj Sanghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-31138051060505100572015-01-23T20:16:32.457+05:302015-01-23T20:16:32.457+05:30so, the second stage (I guess that used to be call...so, the second stage (I guess that used to be called the 'main exam' in the early 2000s) is the one conducted by IIT - and that is an MCQ style paper? <br />I might be missing something here, but what's the point in having 2 complete MCQ tests.<br />MCQs - if done properly - can definitely test a lot. For example, in one Coursera class I took on Automata, proof related questions had been converted to an MCQ format rather successfully. <br />But I doubt they can successfully replace a complete test with narrative answers. Can't a bunch of narrative questions be thrown in?<br />Though obviously, I have no clue about how much of a headache it will mean for the administrators.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-23804055673817066182015-01-19T23:32:54.894+05:302015-01-19T23:32:54.894+05:30In 2014, Board results got delayed and the first r...In 2014, Board results got delayed and the first round of seat allotments for JEE(Mains) took place on July 14, after the second round (or also third?) of allotments for IIT-JEE was over. Actually this worked well as students were no longer holding on to both an IIT and a NIT seat (IIT allocation having completed by July 14 or soon after). But then the counselling Board of JEE-Main allowed candidates not satisfied with their allotments at the end of round 4 (July 23 or thereabouts) to surrender their seats and fill in choices again! They allowed this again for the fifth round, called the spot round (not sure why). About 60% (maybe more: I dont have the actual stats)of the all India seats (the state seats were of course not surrendered as there was no chance of betterment) were surrendered and so for most seats the actual allocation took place only on the fifth (spot) round (August 2)! What a mess it was! With joint counselling, such crazy things will come on National TV (IITs will be involved) and no one will dare to try such things. You will be amazed how the JEE(mains) problems of 2013 and 2014 were completely ignored by the TVs and newspapers. 2013 was even worse (allotments were withdrawn time and again: NIT Patna got some 20,000 students allotted by mistake in one of the rounds). Had IITs been involved, the organising IIT's Director would have lost his job for sure.<br />So, you are right, there are dangers of delays in result declaration, but then major goof ups in JEE(Main) counselling will not happen (it is not CBSE, but a group of NITs who do the counselling). We need the IITs to lend their brand weight to the process!gautam baruahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00395342178251076987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-63828269031626191442015-01-19T22:24:23.728+05:302015-01-19T22:24:23.728+05:30@GB, For 2015 admission, a student has to get eith...@GB, For 2015 admission, a student has to get either 80 percentile or 75% marks (which ever is lower) to be eligible for admission to an IIT.<br /><br />I do think that eventually there will be political pressure to be similar to NITs in the admission process. Once the data conclusively shows that the architecture program in IIT Kharagpur is liked by less persons than Computer Science program of NIT Trichy, it would be difficult to argue that we are somehow much superior to NITs. So if NIT Trichy can admit students to its CSE program through JEE (Mains) and 12th class marks, why can't IITs do the same.<br /><br />And I don't think the IIT faculty is ready for another fight so soon on the admission issue.Dheeraj Sanghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-67638155310422424542015-01-19T22:18:18.660+05:302015-01-19T22:18:18.660+05:30@GB, I support joint counseling, since I consider ...@GB, I support joint counseling, since I consider this as a better thing than the current process. But to expect this to solve many problems, is expecting a bit too much. If you see how many of the 10,000 students selected for IITs also keep an NIT seat till the last minute and then select an NIT. (Because if s/he had selected an IIT, the seat would have been filled by NIT through future rounds, including a spot round. Also, the maximum seats vacant after the three rounds of counseling are in ISM Dhanbad, which I believe also does a spot round.) So the number of seats that remain vacant due to this problem are at best a couple of hundred, which is any way handled by institutes declaring a slightly larger number of seats than what they would like. In fact, the problem can be solved more easily by increasing the cost of keeping two seats from Rs. 1,000 to something like Rs. 10,000. No one, not even the rich, would unnecessarily keep extra seats if they stand to lose 10K for doing the same.<br /><br />And we do have potential problems. What if the board results are not announced in time. NITs always succumb to pressure of filling seats after classes start. If there is joint counseling, would there be pressue on IITs too to do the same. So we need to brace for more political pressure on the IIT system.<br /><br />There is a small advantage to students that they will have to login to only one portal, again not a big deal.<br /><br />I see the biggest advantage as establishing the best programs of NIT system as equally popular (if not more) compared to the worst programs of the IIT system. Having such data would give confidence to more and more students to choose NITs over IITs, which will help reduce the gap between the perception of the two places, which can only be good for the society.Dheeraj Sanghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-10501449225321366212015-01-19T21:54:51.167+05:302015-01-19T21:54:51.167+05:30@Sriram, I agree that the amounts are not very lar...@Sriram, I agree that the amounts are not very large for an IIT.Dheeraj Sanghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-17246846386992926712015-01-19T20:21:11.800+05:302015-01-19T20:21:11.800+05:30I am hearing that there will be common counselling...I am hearing that there will be common counselling for jee(main) and jee (advanced) this year. Also that the 80 percentile cut-off for jee(advanced) will be replaced by 70% (?). Have you heard anything similar? What is your take on the implication of common counselling, if it happens? Besides the immediate impact, do you think it will be the beginning of the end of JEE(advanced)?gautam baruahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00395342178251076987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-57773582073212876232015-01-19T20:06:40.046+05:302015-01-19T20:06:40.046+05:30"There will be huge tussle between CBSE and I..."There will be huge tussle between CBSE and IITs as the money involved is huge". Money involved is not that big for the current JEE (advanced), net is only some 3 crores per IIT (in 2014, we had less than 1 lakh fee paying candidates and around 20% of these would be half fee paying, so gross revenue would have been about 18 crores). And, I don't know if IITs will want to the run the exam for 10 lakh+ candidates of the JEE (main), which is where the big money is. Last year we had about 13 lakhs candidates in JEE (main), gross revenue would be around 200 crores. This is bigger than GATE which nets maybe 20 crores per IIT.iitmsriramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16063826764366606345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-49208908931732992782015-01-19T17:46:04.190+05:302015-01-19T17:46:04.190+05:301998/1999 had two days(three hour papers) like 199...1998/1999 had two days(three hour papers) like 1997 and before. In 2000 Screening(3 hours) was introduced, It happened on 2nd Jan 2000 and result coming out on 22/23 Jan 2000!!<br />Those who got selected in screening again wrote 2-hours three paper in single day on 7th may. One other rumor(or truth?) very popular was whenever IIT have slight doubt of cheating/leak/ghost-writer, they cancel the whole center exam without public notice.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03688475916147603603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-22714732562048416152015-01-19T09:21:00.106+05:302015-01-19T09:21:00.106+05:30I think 1998 was still in the old format - over 2 ...I think 1998 was still in the old format - over 2 days.<br /><br />It might have changed in 1999.prasunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17550515401248304717noreply@blogger.com