tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post3190118487658783365..comments2024-03-27T14:43:28.040+05:30Comments on Musings of Dheeraj Sanghi: Do you want to kill your ward?Dheeraj Sanghihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-85751516916475878822015-07-03T17:55:33.355+05:302015-07-03T17:55:33.355+05:30Sir, I believe that the reason behind our parents ...Sir, I believe that the reason behind our parents are concerned about the packages is also because the previous generation saw jobs solely as a source of income and our parents worked to earn money and support their families. For them life was all about what they did after the working hrs in the office and factories were over and hence education is seen as an investment to higher salary jobs to have a 'better life'.Ishitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10029907447301829601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-59944746740050273712015-05-11T23:09:04.913+05:302015-05-11T23:09:04.913+05:30I agree. The stress is never due to the pressure o...I agree. The stress is never due to the pressure or load of studies. It is about how the people back home will feel that worries a student. It was true then and it is true now as well. Yes, it didn't help that most of the students (then)were quite competitive and I believe same is true now. And this was a feature of IIT which was welcomed and set it apart from a 'normal' university. The students need to be focused, competitive and be able to bear some pressure in the process. This develops them into a man. What's wrong with it?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16904718689735709301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-13684578612070443512015-05-10T18:29:46.852+05:302015-05-10T18:29:46.852+05:30Sir what I meant was any sort of exam which is tes...Sir what I meant was any sort of exam which is testing academical skills with Logical Reasoning will get you the same people on board. Regarding language paper I personally feels it should be there but not only in English it should have options for other languages to choose from and then I do agree same people coming in will be with more desirable skills. Only English will produce situation like BITSAT where state board (I mean Rajasthan and similar Hindi heartland states) students are marginalized completely because of those English questions.Lastly, I feel JEE can be criticized for many points but its not that bad to be called a lottery. My experience with the students I taught and the one's who are selected makes me confident enough to say so.Siddharth Jainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11247226392748180538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-15086951848737721272015-05-10T17:44:37.761+05:302015-05-10T17:44:37.761+05:30@siddharth, I will not comment on coaching in this...@siddharth, I will not comment on coaching in this blog. But I do disagree with one statement that irrespective of the type of exam, you will see the same set of people getting selected. If that is the case, what is the objection to having a language paper, just to give an example. JEE is a lottery where you have to be a good hard-working student to have a chance in that lottery. Different types of exams will bias that lottery in different ways. And even if the same set of people will get selected, at least they will have more desirable skills when they are in IITs, if we had tested them properly on those desirable skills.Dheeraj Sanghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-49011506892581167302015-05-10T17:38:29.068+05:302015-05-10T17:38:29.068+05:30@Kishore, you want that we should select the Insti...@Kishore, you want that we should select the Institute Hockey Team not on the basis of ability to play hockey (and related skills like teamwork), but it should be on a broader basis including grades in various courses. Sorry, I disagree.Dheeraj Sanghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-80909494057440331852015-05-10T11:26:27.697+05:302015-05-10T11:26:27.697+05:30Sir,
My point is based on the fact that IITs rewa...Sir,<br /><br />My point is based on the fact that IITs reward performance on all parameters or traits including non-academic parameters like sports, leadership etc...<br /><br />But as you said that certain entries/admissions are wholly based on academic performance.. I would like to ask why can't a holistic performance yardstick be designed to decide entry into any area inside IITs...even going to the extent of admissions to IITs...where weightages to components may vary based on the area chosen...Kishorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04904578784334368933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-14613786059634893012015-05-10T08:03:32.623+05:302015-05-10T08:03:32.623+05:30Sir every time I see comments on your blog or else...Sir every time I see comments on your blog or else where I find we coaching people are becoming the soft target for all such issues. But all of them forget the primary reason for this increased coaching phenomenon. We are a developing nation which don't have enough resources and what all career options students or parents have once the child finishes X or XII. JEE/CPT/CLAT/AIPMT one two more and the list ends especially for tier II and below cities where people don't have much exposure of other fields. Also due to visionary economic and tax policies people having a mediocre business also wants their children not to join that.In this scenario JEE seems to be the most preferred option but there we hardly have 15 thousand odd seats for the grab plus everyone knows what the teachers are doing at school how much quality education they are providing is known to us. So coaching seems to be the only way. This year I was asked for my opinion in four five cases for selection of subjects by my very near relatives and in all student I found should not go for Science and advised so but still all of them have forced (even student was also happily accepting) for science and they took admission at my coaching institute even after strong NO from me. So is it only our fault. One of them answered in a very straight manner that leave IIT/NIT we are happy with a private college degree it sounds better than B.A or B.Com or B.Sc. So this is not the mindset for which 100% fault lies with us. Mr. Girish one thing i will like to remind you that you design any type of test mixing acads whether basic or advanced level with aptitude you won't find a substantial change in the JEE merit list. I still feel the people getting in IITs are really the cream of current generation.So the basic issue is the lack of resources which is putting up this whole pressure cooker scenario.Siddharth Jainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11247226392748180538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-17844547888288121252015-05-09T22:35:29.231+05:302015-05-09T22:35:29.231+05:30This comment is not related to the blog. @Girish, ...This comment is not related to the blog. @Girish, your statement "And the whole bunch of coaching institutes make people mug-up the answers. They will get a good JEE rank and join some IIT or the other. But you see, they have no logical thinking or learning skills." is seriously wrong and you can't pass you judgement on coaching institutes if you have never been to one. This is similar to people passing judgement on the IIT system even when the have never been associated with it ever.Dhawal Upadhyayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08179202812327408927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-50801334954015100992015-05-09T22:06:58.587+05:302015-05-09T22:06:58.587+05:30After passing from IIT the people are doing coachi...After passing from IIT the people are doing coaching in a institute just for money not for his own wishHelpline BTEUPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00735998108554539610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-88361439951737909002015-05-09T19:18:26.871+05:302015-05-09T19:18:26.871+05:30Dr. Sanghi,
I agree with what you have discussed i...Dr. Sanghi,<br />I agree with what you have discussed in this post. And every point is indeed true. Sir, don't you think it's all coaching centers which project IITs as a place where you get best placements and not emphasizing what IITs stands for or what IITs expects from students. I think this ignorance is all the reason for parents to think in this way. Even IITJEE is glorified among middle-class societies, where everyone think that it's the best investment parents can put on their ward on coaching centers beyond their capacity. Indirectly coaching centers are primary reason for stress and anxiety.srujanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12738299893617807347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-41306416117530764432015-05-09T18:22:33.585+05:302015-05-09T18:22:33.585+05:30@Girish, I agree that JEE has serious flaws, and a...@Girish, I agree that JEE has serious flaws, and as you know, I have written a lot about JEE on this blog.Dheeraj Sanghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-9251027260341758772015-05-09T18:20:30.415+05:302015-05-09T18:20:30.415+05:30Mr. Sanghi,
As usual, a very balanced post. I ful...Mr. Sanghi,<br /><br />As usual, a very balanced post. I fully agree with your points. However, I say there is one angle that you have not covered that also contributes to some extent of the student's performance in the institute. That is the entrance exam. Before I make my point, let me state my own experience:<br />* When I wrote JEE, I didn't get selected because it focused on what I learned in my 10+2, but on topics that I will learn in engg. Obviously I was not well prepared and I didn't get selected.<br />* When I wrote the entrance for M.Tech (CS) for IITK, it focused not only on what I learned, but also on the aptitude. I did well and got selected.<br /><br />I did fairly well in my studies in M.Tech. That's because there is match to what/how they teach in M.Tech, to they way I was tested in entrance and what my capabilities are.<br /><br />The JEE has not changed a bit and continues to be based on very advanced topics. And the whole bunch of coaching institutes make people mug-up the answers. They will get a good JEE rank and join some IIT or the other. But you see, they have no logical thinking or learning skills. I feel this mis-match could be one of the contributors for some of students not able to perform in IIT.<br /><br />I think this must change and the entrance must focus on the learnability and aptitude of the person rather than knowledge that can be mugged-up.<br /><br />My 2paise.<br /><br />Thanks<br />Girish Elchuri.Girish Elchurihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08665350630950521967noreply@blogger.com