tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post223572557499658389..comments2024-03-27T14:43:28.040+05:30Comments on Musings of Dheeraj Sanghi: JEE Advanced 2017: Case simplifiedDheeraj Sanghihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-26738539369634933292017-07-26T12:06:19.860+05:302017-07-26T12:06:19.860+05:30IIT Madras said that they entertain language chang...IIT Madras said that they entertain language change option till the last moment of exam. And Our Hon'ble court accepted this argument.<br />The 7 Zonal IITs send their Professor and Representative to each and every centre in India. And they (Representative) are the Head Invigilator of Exam centre. It is their sole Responsibility of fair conduction of Exam. They are required to follow the guidelines.<br />See this page from Guidelines given to IIT Representative.<br /><a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dcdlJdOh1CQ/WWS-6oGwFgI/AAAAAAAAKNM/hWqznK99cW88RZOAmqvdqPCusjM4EqwMgCK4BGAYYCw/s1600/5.jpg" rel="nofollow">Guideline_page5.jpg</a><br /><br />When there is no language change option available for students. (According to Information Brochure)<br />And also, No language change option were allowed by Invigilator. (According to Guidelines)<br />Then How IIT Madras could change language of Many students? (Only God knows How.)<br /><br /><br />Must See this blog : <a href="http://blankedspace.blogspot.in/2017/07/iit-madras-defence-bundle-of-lies.html" rel="nofollow">http://blankedspace.blogspot.in/2017/07/iit-madras-defence-bundle-of-lies.html</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11829991715622391035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-75413778338946815872017-07-18T21:20:28.172+05:302017-07-18T21:20:28.172+05:30Are recruiters not aware of the happenigs in jee e...Are recruiters not aware of the happenigs in jee exam this year.Will they still believe in quality , which is synthesized Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03300081575679365752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-88232284429694156632017-07-18T10:11:08.984+05:302017-07-18T10:11:08.984+05:30@Saurabh, in your previous comment, it was more li...@Saurabh, in your previous comment, it was more like I don't want to get into the debate of which injustice is preferable. In this second comment, you are almost saying that since you don't know, it is ok to take a random call, and in that sense supporting IIT system. And the example given is very unfortunate. The reality is much simpler and much more obvious. If you read all the comments, even those who have benefited from IITs arrogance and lying, are saying that they should be protected since they have rejected other options already. Particularly for the question in which the Hindi variant is a misprint, even they are not arguing as to what would be the right thing to do.<br /><br />And the petition's last point was that those who have missed getting a decent rank in JEE because of this may be allowed to take JEE Advanced next year. Who will be facing injustice if IITs were to allow a few thousand extra students in JEE Advanced 2018. Even this point has been denied by IITs. It is, I am sorry to say, plain arrogance, nothing else.Dheeraj Sanghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-82577204322653992802017-07-18T09:31:00.542+05:302017-07-18T09:31:00.542+05:30@Kandasamy Subramani :
The count of question pap...@Kandasamy Subramani :<br /><br /><br />The count of question papers are accounted for, but which question paper went to which student was not tracked. Only the last digit of the question paper and the answersheet was supposed to match. On one hand I agree that one should stick to the rules announced a priori, on the other hand it leads to the exam being not so "user friendly" and people will should that the center is following the procedures to the letter and not in the spirit. For example, in the procedure, there was no mention of what to do regarding Bio break if a student asks for it. So should the students not be allowed to go to the bathroom because it wasn't there in the procedure announced a priori? I am sure if protocols are followed to the letter, there will be lot of other complaints. I would like to believe that change in question papers were allowed with the intention of being student friendly. I don't know whether that was really the intention of the organizing IIT or not. But I don't see what other motive could have been behind it.<br /><br />Again, I do not want to argue which "injustice" would be better. You have one perspective, on the other hand, some other parent would shout, "Injustice!", if the solution proposed by you is implemented. Frankly, I do not know which one would be correct. I feel it's similar to the following ethical conundrum : If someone says that there are 10 people in a queue, either you shoot one of them or he will kill all of them, what would you do? I don't think there is any right answer.<br /><br />Let me repeat that the quality checks should have been more rigorous, may be announce a priori what procedure would be followed in various failure scenario (including wrong questions, ambiguous questions, multiple correct answers etc.).<br /><br />I won't post further comments on this topic.<br /><br /><br />Saurabh Joshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08461791061004256871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-68897606339271577812017-07-17T23:14:44.407+05:302017-07-17T23:14:44.407+05:30@Saurabh, Till 10 years ago, I used to have the sa...@Saurabh, Till 10 years ago, I used to have the same feeling regarding IIT system that there can be mistakes but no malafide. Today my stand is that I don't comment on the issue of malafide. I simply don't know.<br />Dheeraj Sanghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-16100144894219061552017-07-17T23:03:19.355+05:302017-07-17T23:03:19.355+05:30@Saurab Joshi. I am an aggrieved parent. I am quot...@Saurab Joshi. I am an aggrieved parent. I am quoting your observations and try to make sense out of it!<br /><br />I should admit, that the whole process was transparent till the publication of the official answer key on 4th June 2017. The revised answer key was( I believe put up on 10 night) put up without any announcement and sadly was linked to the official answer key announced on 4th June. One would realise that it is a different file only after downloading. Why was this not announced? I came to know about this only on the 13th June after reading news paper reports.<br /><br />"I agree that there were many shortcomings and the process needs improvement. Having said that, I can vouch that institute representatives were instructed to allow change of language on either side (Hindi to English and vice versa)."<br /><br />What is the source of this information? If it is true, it is opposite to what the instructions for filling up applications said. Has this change in the policy of allowing change in QP language made known to all the applicants / candidates by publicising in the media or web site? Was it announced in the examination halls? So one can break protocols because they are an autonomous body and get away with it.<br /><br />"Therefore, even though on record someone might have got the erroneous question paper, he/she may not have got it and the students who on record got the correct question paper might have gotten the erroneous one."<br /><br />Do you mean to say that the question papers are not accounted for? The invigilator in any examination is responsible for the material distributed in the examination hall and account every single page.<br /><br />"There is no way you can be fair to all in this case. I do not want to go in the debate that which injustice is better than the other."<br /><br />If you take into account that only <10% of candidates who take (what I used to consider a prestigious examination) the Hindi paper, don't you think awarding bonus marks to the ineligible 90% candidates who took the English paper is unfair? This unfairness unfortunately is more so to the Hindi candidates. How was such a simple logic slip the high level committee's brains?<br /><br />Mistakes do happen and it should be sorted out equitably.<br /><br />The Supreme court gave relief to the IIT's which were at fault, but failed to redress the Students. IIT's and the Supreme Court should have been magnanimous and created 10-15% extra seats and accommodated more students. Shouldn't the people who did not do their job be taken to task? <br /><br />The arrogance and incompetence will continue in the years to come and (with all respects to you)will unfortunately be supported by people like you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16209361005892524876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-82204399419107915212017-07-17T22:06:00.004+05:302017-07-17T22:06:00.004+05:30Moreover, various set of papers are created by ext...Moreover, various set of papers are created by extracting single file and copy paste , it is difficult to understand , how two three versions of hindi file was used ,when given for printing?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03300081575679365752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-26477848373488241082017-07-17T20:38:39.068+05:302017-07-17T20:38:39.068+05:30A candidate gets minus marks and thrown out of the...A candidate gets minus marks and thrown out of the race for a slight error.There is always records ,who changes which paper.Also students have hardly taken exams 2 times, but the institute are experience of atleast 500 cycles of conducting exams.Even , now , they are not willing to correct.They exactly know , thay who are students who do not got bonus marks and got english paper.This student can be given modified rank.But ,. .<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03300081575679365752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-18226071176485513822017-07-17T14:45:47.746+05:302017-07-17T14:45:47.746+05:30Hi,
Since there are so many comments, I could ...Hi,<br /> Since there are so many comments, I could not read all of them. But I saw some very harsh words being used against not only organizing IIT but IITs in general. So let me put my views on this.<br /><br />I agree that there were many shortcomings and the process needs improvement. Having said that, I can vouch that institute representatives were instructed to allow change of language on either side (Hindi to English and vice versa). Therefore, even though on record someone might have got the erroneous question paper, he/she may not have got it and the students who on record got the correct question paper might have gotten the erroneous one.<br /><br />Since there is no way to exactly match who got which set of question paper, and also no way to say who did not attempt because of ambiguity in the question, the question boils down to which set of students do you do injustice to. There is no way you can be fair to all in this case. I do not want to go in the debate that which injustice is better than the other.<br /><br />I again repeat that there should be more rigor to have some quality assurance, and processes in different failure scenarios should have been in place. However, some of the comments insinuating mala fide intentions on part of IITs is not really nice.<br /><br />Saurabh Joshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08461791061004256871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-63328113637915689102017-07-16T16:00:40.918+05:302017-07-16T16:00:40.918+05:30The Accused IITs got relief, The Students who not ...The Accused IITs got relief, The Students who not attempted questions also got benefitted by SC Decision.Those students who attempted questions of 7 marks in english paper got bad luck and low rank , due to others fault. so At this juncture , the IITs can atleast do something justice to these students , without disrupting counseling or other students.Let such a students got 220 marks and AIR 4500 , and had attempted those 7 mks question.And his freind also got 227 marks , (220+7 bonus) AIr 4300.So after 7th round , The AIr 4500 student *which would have been atleast 4300, should be allowed to change and choose branch at the AIR 4300.This kind of students will not be many and will do justice to them<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03300081575679365752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-50552161459932384792017-07-16T15:51:53.036+05:302017-07-16T15:51:53.036+05:30It is very difficult to tell the victimized kids t...It is very difficult to tell the victimized kids that it is not only hard work , but you should be lucky also.It is also very difficult to tell them that those who have not answered those questions are smarter and lucky and despite of digital india dhamaka , and MAN KI BAT , and lot euphoria , there might be some evils of your previous lifeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03300081575679365752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-37865525981822071662017-07-15T00:56:07.662+05:302017-07-15T00:56:07.662+05:30I am not sure about the quality of students being ...I am not sure about the quality of students being admiited to the IITs nowadays,but I am sure that the quality of the teachers have gone down tremendously !!I never heard anything like these in our days of 80's IIT-JEE.Seemms Advanced has become inferior.When r the IIT guys switching back to the subjective test?These multiple choice formats seems to be producing more parrots than the knowledge or ski seekers !!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03637623189659197019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-45915117575412128702017-07-12T22:25:31.242+05:302017-07-12T22:25:31.242+05:30One wonders why should we send our kids to such in...One wonders why should we send our kids to such institutions...<br />They are so arrogant and incompetent.Rajeev Pathakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12659131700958396994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-11523544892911187192017-07-12T22:24:17.452+05:302017-07-12T22:24:17.452+05:30One should never ask an accused on what should be ...One should never ask an accused on what should be your punishment irrespective of reputation of accused.<br />Sadly SC seems to have missed it this time.Rajeev Pathakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12659131700958396994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-49671696081590404492017-07-12T22:20:34.081+05:302017-07-12T22:20:34.081+05:30I understand your situation fully. There are atlea...I understand your situation fully. There are atleast 1500 to 2000 students whose ranks are reduced by 1000 to 2000 due to blunder by IITM.<br /><br />IITM will get punishment some day for their incompetence and bad judgement in awarding bonus marks. Where I am appalled is that they had a chance to correct mistake when petition was filed which they did not do.<br />Throughout students learning of 16 years..teachers tell that you should learn from mistake and correct it. Also we should be truthful.<br /><br />Sadly profs part of JEE administration this year have proven that they do not deserve to be teacher leave aside being an adminstrator. They did a mistakes, did not correct it and lied at Supreme court.<br /><br />Respect of IITM and JEE body this year has gone down drastically in eyes of all those deserving students who have lost ranks for no fault of theirs.<br /><br />Rajeev Pathakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12659131700958396994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-84546089814432530822017-07-12T19:26:24.268+05:302017-07-12T19:26:24.268+05:30Sir, your third point is wrong ,sorry to say but y...Sir, your third point is wrong ,sorry to say but you are being mislead ,the questions which had multiple intepretations did have different set of answers but the bonuses are given for wrong questions and it can be proved that they were wrong and there was no choice but to give bonus , and for the 4th point you are again being mislead almost all the coachings gave multiple set of answers and one did match the one given by IIT so it was not unique .<br />And yes IIT M was definitely at fault with that 7 bonus marks.<br />Sir your words have a huge impact so I beg you please first do thorough analysis of the petition there are many things wrong and it wont be right to mislead the public beacause of that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11442679892645406275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-37722629604350136342017-07-12T17:48:36.664+05:302017-07-12T17:48:36.664+05:30Sir
I had a great hope on honorable SC as my son w...Sir<br />I had a great hope on honorable SC as my son who has JEE MAIN ALL INDIA GENERAL RANK near 700 and gone down to near 2800 in Jee ADAVNCED. He has consistent in CREDENTIAL KVPY NEAR 300, NEST ALL INDIA within TOP 9, BITP 366/450. I am sure if all will be done he may get back 1200-1500. I prayed a lot at Jagannath temple on previous night. I t is just because as you exactly conveyed the IIT expert committee of Jee-advanced can do the best, and we see what best they have done to us. I still have two objections 1. why those questions which my son finds have some alternate answers differ from official keys, when we submitted for kind re-consideration, if not accepted as correct officially then, reasons must be provided. 2. Some question set in english which are given grace have actually definite answers too. Only Pray God if anybody has done any dishonest to our innocent children and finally stopped them who have all for class 8-class 12, a long five years hard work and dedication, to show that they can conquer such test and get a deserving rank, God will never forgive them. As finally till today, my son understood in IIT, it does not differ much if one get rank 1 till rank 400, as all they are the same as doing a CS in open in any of old IITs or at IIT Gawhati, IITHyderbad are all same. Similarly, it is same 400-1500, Doing any other core at any IITs among this and so on 1500-3000, they all are same. So what, Does anybody will gain from such mistake of the system if at all has been done so far. Only it is between excellent and very good, even grace marks upto 25, they will only remain and wish they will only have bright future.Only difference is her mother will cry for that her son forced to move from his local IIT Delhi Mechanical branch to far Kharagpur or Guwahati for same branch if so interested for that, and he is now forcefully separated by the wrong system(not because of his actual performance) from her mother's love, by could not geting the deserving rank. All such committee will come, finish the exam, rank list, admission and go and then forget everything, but for the sufferer parents and child, it will continue in their mind. The thought will continue, "is this the best system they are so seriously worked for, as both waited for last 5-years years to see the light of success". and also for every day upto next four years then never will be forgiving that how their son really has been a real sufferer for the same reason never explained by the authority "why it was like that type of evaluation or why that answer key/ or a set of answer keys will be correct not this one or those keys are". They will also doubt one major part of the exam system and its evaluation and ask Why then they display answer key and ask for comments of candidates who writes exam and believe us it is only doubts and doubts for JEE-ADVANCED 2017. Pray God all these will go in times to come and not any more get such suffering DR RAJENDRA JENAMANI FOG STORMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09470245545619648676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-91915190098176258792017-07-12T08:08:23.549+05:302017-07-12T08:08:23.549+05:30Sir,in my opinion the Supreme Court needed a third...Sir,in my opinion the Supreme Court needed a third party expert team,as it itself is not well equipped to challenge the IITs technically or theoretically,experts from IITs would have tried to portray themselves as correct to get rid of the case.However they could have challenged the IITs logically in the case of printing mistakes.The IITs were successful in misleading the court due to the influence of their prowess in the technical world and moreover their law officer,respected Attorney general of India.Looking forward to meet you sir at IITK.Nice to read your blogs revealing the truth that was far from the CourtAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10173300086741495940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-87730112189662574262017-07-11T22:24:26.149+05:302017-07-11T22:24:26.149+05:30Sir, if you had seen me earlier message, they have...Sir, if you had seen me earlier message, they have submitted in the court that (if you did not see the documents attached to the link in my previous message)<br /><br />"Therefore, a set of Hindi question papers is sent along with English question papers to all the exam centres".<br /><br />The above statement means to me that if any student who originally opted for English paper wants a Hindi paper, he would get it.<br /><br />This is contrary to what you have been told (quoting you) - "My information from JEE office is that English students were not allowed to get the Hindi paper"<br /><br />Do we infer that the flagship engineering college of the country has spelt lies under oath? They will do anything to save their skin. Really shameful.<br /><br />I had great respect to these institutions, but not anymore.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16209361005892524876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-75434804883231051382017-07-11T08:04:34.575+05:302017-07-11T08:04:34.575+05:30Frankly, I am not surprised. I have followed many ...Frankly, I am not surprised. I have followed many court cases involving IITs and what I have written in the last two paragraphs has often happened. Those lines were not a joke or sarcasm but reality of our legal system.<br /><br />This is not the first time nor will it be the last time that IITs would have displayed their incompetence to handle an exam. The undertaking that such errors will not be repeated is unimplementable and everyone in the country except SC knows this.Dheeraj Sanghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-77230456478827682772017-07-11T07:54:53.254+05:302017-07-11T07:54:53.254+05:30My information from JEE office is that English stu...My information from JEE office is that English students were not allowed to get the Hindi paper. But the first two Hindi students (for each paper code) were allowed to get an English paper. Dheeraj Sanghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-13742126928992689332017-07-11T07:43:43.349+05:302017-07-11T07:43:43.349+05:30Please see discrepancy in what was given in the in...Please see discrepancy in what was given in the instructions and what IITM informed the court (as in part of the judgement copy) about question paper language.<br /><br />To my knowledge, IITM did not make it public that they would entertain change in Question paper language after registration.<br /><br /><br />https://www.change.org/p/chairman-iit-jee-advanced-2017-organizing-committee-revise-iit-jee-advanced-2017-rank-list-to-prevent-injustice-before-it-is-too-late/u/20783320<br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481814400111309890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-5001340906459913292017-07-11T05:31:31.754+05:302017-07-11T05:31:31.754+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01481814400111309890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-82020137591075247762017-07-10T21:15:48.165+05:302017-07-10T21:15:48.165+05:30So a student , who got deprived of good rank due t...So a student , who got deprived of good rank due to bonus mark has to remember his whole life that the IITM will not repeat mistake.They have been issued warning.And he should hide tears and feel very happyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03300081575679365752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-82746981786804106002017-07-10T20:22:03.665+05:302017-07-10T20:22:03.665+05:30Every thing finished now।,some if the students wi...Every thing finished now।,some if the students will have to learn that despite of their 2 - 3 years long efforts, They have to eat fruits of erroneous systems and last warningsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03300081575679365752noreply@blogger.com