tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post888040335237789275..comments2024-03-29T11:45:43.197+05:30Comments on Musings of Dheeraj Sanghi: Joint Counseling of IITs and NITs: Delhi High Court DecisionDheeraj Sanghihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-50175426986340814272015-07-03T16:29:25.123+05:302015-07-03T16:29:25.123+05:30@Sandeep, which ever rank give you your higher pre...@Sandeep, which ever rank give you your higher preference will be used.Dheeraj Sanghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-23785247271712569542015-07-03T00:33:03.228+05:302015-07-03T00:33:03.228+05:30Sir,
Wonder how joint counselling would be synchro...Sir,<br />Wonder how joint counselling would be synchronised in a fair manner. Whether JEE mains or JEE advanced rank would take precedent for those who qualified for both Advances and Mains?Sandeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13632238251711114933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-13212981753161689662015-01-20T10:56:20.495+05:302015-01-20T10:56:20.495+05:30sir,
I am a polytechnic student and we all polytec...sir,<br />I am a polytechnic student and we all polytechnic diploma student want a lateral entry to direct second year in IIT as other institute offers.<br />can they?....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00499337922917681877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-68565296329217695702014-08-20T22:32:04.817+05:302014-08-20T22:32:04.817+05:30Also, shouldn't percentile cut-offs be capped ...Also, shouldn't percentile cut-offs be capped at some percentage. The data shows 2% jump in subject averages for both CBSE/ISC year-on-year which is huge. <br />One might say, but hey, the scoring is becoming lenient for everyone - largely that is true, but then relative rankings of students also get distorted when boards are inflating scores rather randomly. <br />I am quite sure that the most generous boards are the ones where good candidates are actually left below the X-percentile cut-off. Because those are exams which have simply lost their resolution to discriminate. Prashanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04165159647365100216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-85393361709498238722014-08-20T22:26:25.233+05:302014-08-20T22:26:25.233+05:30I have very interesting observations from the CBSE...I have very interesting observations from the CBSE and ISC12 data which I am sitting on. <br /><br />Economics (which is compulsory for Commerce and most humanities students) has extremely low scores and a high failure rate (country average of 50, when PCM are between 65-70 or so), perhaps to push as many people as possible (from PCM group) above the 20 percentile mark since it includes everyone? <br /><br />Secondly, there is a massive difference between scores of (CS and Physical Education) where averages are almost 90 versus someone who opted for Economics or Bio (where averages are significantly lower).<br /><br />Clearly people are becoming smart about gaming the boards; even boards themselves.<br /><br />The fraction of people taking PhysEd as sixth subject is now huge. Board exam inclusion has made everyone "fitness conscious" from what it seems :)<br /><br />But if just PCM aggregate is considered the benefits of including the board exam almost entirely get wiped out (since PCM is tested by JEE anyway). Plus, one incorrectly graded paper could create havoc for no fault of the student. Maybe, English + PCM or something like that is better.Prashanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04165159647365100216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-35020391085348734852014-08-20T01:10:00.010+05:302014-08-20T01:10:00.010+05:30@Saurabh, If IITs were admitting students on the b...@Saurabh, If IITs were admitting students on the basis of GATE alone, then it would make sense to have common counseling. But in many departments, that is not the case. A lot of departments believe that an interview is a better mechanism to select students.<br /><br />Of course, the admission committees can be more accommodating and interview students early if they have a train to catch. But please note that we are required by law to interview reserved category candidates before general students, and hence our flexibility is limited.<br /><br />There are vacant seats even during MTech admissions, but it is not true that IITs don't bother about it. Please understand that the number of seats are decided by us, and there is no incentive for us to leave the seats vacant. If we wanted to recruit less students, we could have just announced less number of seats. Unlike UG admissions, where there are lots of pressures to increase seats and at least keep it same as last year, there is not much pressure for MTech programs. And your definition of vacant seats may be different from our definition of vacant seats. For example, if we want to have 50 MTech students and we know that not every one will join, we may announce that we have 70 seats. So if we finally have 55 students, we would be concerned that we have got more than what we can handle well with our resources, but you would see this as 15 vacant seats.<br /><br />The real problem in PG admissions is that unlike UG admissions where very few students leave the program, there are lots who leave the PG programs after admission. Based on an MHRD rule of having to refund all the money, there is absolutely no incentive for a student to tell us in advance that s/he is not joining. Also, the GATE results are so late (in March) that PSUs can not complete their recruitment before our semester starts. So, if there can be a financial disincentive to keep multiple seats, and GATE exam can be given early, we would have an easier time with MTech admission.<br />Dheeraj Sanghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-85441473642824856072014-08-16T21:07:25.138+05:302014-08-16T21:07:25.138+05:30I have been advocating joint counselling for the l...I have been advocating joint counselling for the last several years, but the IIT system has not budged. The reasons given have been operational (there is no time, the software writing and testing will take time), but nothing is done between examinations. This shows a lack of will on the part of the system. Now that that a Court has issued a directive, maybe something will happen in 2015. As I am now involved in an IIIT, I have first hand experience of the NIT counselling process (the JEE-main counselling is the better term to use as many institutions other than NITs are also involved) too. Dheeraj is right, the merger will not help the IITs much, but it may help the students and it may help the JEE-main institutes start their session earlier. Students getting into IITs will not fill up JEE-Main seats only to relinquish them later on. The number of rounds of counselling in JEE-Main can then be reduced.<br />However, there is a caveat. This year, the announcement of JEE-main ranks were delayed by a week and so the JEE-main counselling was too. Had there been common counselling, the IIT seat allocation process would have been delayed too (since IIT JEE only uses cut-offs, I suppose a few seats alloted in the earlier rounds may have been re-allocated due to candidates failing the cut-off; but the process did not get delayed, as far as I know). So, unless the Board marks are available on time, things are going to be problematic. Should we press for a change in the system in JEE-Main? The current formula for arriving at ranks is anyway very controversial ( especially to those not in the CBSE system), and so rather than have a lousy ranking formula (which the CBSE lobby is unlikely to allow a change in), it may be better to abandon it altogether. I have noticed that Boards like CBSE have Physical Education and other such “easy” subjects which “distort” the rankings. Why not go back to the tried and trusted methods of having cut-offs (but percentile within a board now, instead of absolute marks) for Physics, Chemistry and Mathematics (PCM) rather than for an aggregate? I have noticed that some of the JEE-Main low rankers, have very poor Board results, especially in Mathematics, and eliminating such cases is going to be useful. Some may point out that I have been advocating just the opposite – include Board marks of all subjects and also have an aptitude as part of JEE so that the ill effects of coaching are reduced. But then, “one step forward, two steps back” for now, in the face of opposition from stronger forces!gautam baruahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00395342178251076987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-80452903623089374372014-08-14T17:28:14.456+05:302014-08-14T17:28:14.456+05:30Dear Sir,
This is a good step in the r...Dear Sir,<br /> This is a good step in the right direction. However, I wonder why IITs do not conduct a common counselling for MTech.<br /><br /> Many students have to travel long distance without any researvation ( thanks to peak summer traffic ) to different corners of the country for MTech admission. I myself had travelled 24hours in a general bogie as I could not secure a reservation. On top of that, attitude at many IITs is apathetic to this situation of students. Sometimes no flexibility is given in the time of interview so that a poor fellow can finish the interview and catch his/her train in time to go to the next IIT.<br /><br />The issue of seats remaining vacant arises even during MTech admissions. Alas, no IIT bothers about it.Saurabh Joshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08461791061004256871noreply@blogger.com