tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post1277107972630998290..comments2024-03-27T14:43:28.040+05:30Comments on Musings of Dheeraj Sanghi: Is JEE Going AwayDheeraj Sanghihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-44289853057619078352012-05-20T00:16:34.077+05:302012-05-20T00:16:34.077+05:30Dheeraj
How are you!I am Vikrant , your class ma...Dheeraj <br /><br />How are you!I am Vikrant , your class mate in 12th class in SBM school delhi.I agree with your views.<br />If any change in system, it should be in phase manner i.e. first weightage of CBSE board only (i.e. PCM) in 2014 then common entrance test replacing AIEEE & IIT JEE by 2015 <br /><br />Vikrant<br />GM<br />RELIANCE INFRAVikranthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16282377997526718908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-86652057899402738742012-03-10T13:41:57.620+05:302012-03-10T13:41:57.620+05:30A)Decision makers pushing of boards marks in the...A)Decision makers pushing of boards marks in the form of percentile system or normalization of bd marks in IIT selections have a serious dimension which is not understood by public so far. <br />> Board’s marks will lead to board wise quota in IIT .<br />Surprised ! now I will show mathematically. Proposed system will have three component 1) board mark + 2) aptitude + 3) advance .To understand the implication of high weight age of bd marks let’s keep other two component(aptitude and advance ) fixed. Now all the seats in IIT will be equally distributed in 30 boards based on ranking in respective boards.<br />>which in turn means that Top 350 student of each board will get selection in IIT(350*30=10500 total III seats). <br />>This in turn will tantamount to state wise quota in IIT. ><br />>Smaller state boards eg assam or Nagaland board will benefit and large bd student's eg cbse will suffer. This will be at the cost of merit.<br /><br />I think this is the hidden agenda of state wise qouta in IIT is being pursued by decision makers.which need to be protested.<br /><br />Mr Gutam may say that it is good to take topper of each board.then point as below need to be addressed first before final decision is taken.<br /><br />B) IITJEE was considered to be tamperproof so far.But malpractices in board exam are known to every body. Here result can be purchased with money power. I have video of board exam where entire class is copying. I fail to understand as why IIT council have chosen to rely on a system which is easy to manipulate.<br />few other questions ?<br />C)How marks obtained in sanskrit,hindi or say music are related to engineering aptitude ????? ( yes ,music is also an option in a board)<br />D)Only feasible solution is to increase the eligibility criterion as suggested by dheeraj instead of adding marks.<br /><br />I hope decision maker read these blog and avoid their name being written in history as the equivalent of Tuglak.<br /> <br />Vedprakash<br />IIT K 82-86<br />Chief Engineer Central Railway<br />mumbaived prakashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01628260596861014689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-13637199392657471592012-03-09T22:57:24.832+05:302012-03-09T22:57:24.832+05:30sir i am going appear first time for iit jee in th...sir i am going appear first time for iit jee in this year..but i have a doubt that from next year i.e. from 2013 exam pattern are going to change, so if i am not able to clear jee then will i get the another chance in 2013 or this is my last chance.svignesh0308https://www.blogger.com/profile/17494369024201112577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-15964088980894340222012-02-12T22:58:48.025+05:302012-02-12T22:58:48.025+05:30can't someone verify what changes are going to...can't someone verify what changes are going to takeplace/or can't someone provide upto date infos about the decisions ? I am almost comign to the end of my XI th std and i am not sure abt on what to cocentrate boards or IIT JEE .SLOTMACHINE1https://www.blogger.com/profile/13340979246852665188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-48400580689410703302012-02-12T07:39:55.912+05:302012-02-12T07:39:55.912+05:30@Gautam, I agree with you that we must encourage s...@Gautam, I agree with you that we must encourage students to take school education seriously. But two issues. One, whether giving the board marks a weight in the admission process is the right thing to do, or is there an alternate mechanism which may be better. Two, the boards too must start taking school education seriously, and we should do start with some involvement of the board, which keeps increasing as the quality of boards improve.<br /><br />But to do anything, we need data to show how serious the problem is today, and to show in future whether the steps that we have taken have indeed solved that specific problem.<br /><br />I would like to know what is the percentile distribution of ranks amongst those who are in Common Merit List in 2011. If we find (very unlikely) that over 90 percent of those in CML were actually having a percentile of 95 or better in their respective boards, then it is obvious that IIT is selecting those who are taking board exams seriously already, and no change needs to be done.<br /><br />But suppose the data shows that 90 percent (or any such high number) of CML rankers are above 85 percentile in their respective boards. (This is what I would expect the data to show.) This data would indeed indicate that there is a mismatch between JEE performance and board performance. And now if we want to push people to consider board exams seriously, we could declare 85 percentile as the minimum cutoff for admission to IITs, and we announce a roadmap which says that percentile requirement will go up by 1 percentile every year for the next 5 years, till we hit 90, and we will review it again at that time.<br /><br />This ensures that there is no shock to student community, by making a large number of people who have been working for 2-3 years for JEE, suddenly find that their plans have gone awry, and by making sure that there will be some students who are denied admission to IITs based on their 12th class marks, we send the signal that you can't take boards for granted.<br /><br />Also, over the years, as there is a pressure on boards to improve their functioning since their marks are becoming important for admission, we keep improving on how much we trust board marks (by increasing the eligibility cutoff).<br /><br />Of course, we should also keep reviewing the whole situation in whether this causes other problems (like many have suggested that this will increase coaching and not reduce, since now students will start coaching for board exams in even larger number, and that the corruption in boards will go up and not go down with years).Dheeraj Sanghihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367519409840642182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-89840860558163368442012-02-11T06:22:27.400+05:302012-02-11T06:22:27.400+05:30The present act of the government is completely wr...The present act of the government is completely wrong. Its more of an attempt to kill the coaching institues rather than upgrading the quality of education. One fails to realise that the only place where real teaching for the 11-12 th standard is taking place is in these coaching centers and not the schools. removing them would actually cut down even the minimum that students are getting of their own because the governmet doesnt opens any schools which can provide good education at this level(to qualify competetive exams).more over including the board results would actually lead to shifting of people studying in the state boards to isc or cbse schools.the correction criteria of these boards are far different and even cheating and using unfair means is common in these places. Eventually this attempt would ruin the whole of education system. <br />The need of the hour is not to kill down these coaching centres but actually increasing the number of seats in these colleges as population is increasing at rapid rate and more and more people are giving these exams.Sauravhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16521709655087701182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-84510009788558799422012-02-10T19:25:48.008+05:302012-02-10T19:25:48.008+05:30In places like delhi,kota, hyderabad (called the &...In places like delhi,kota, hyderabad (called the 'coaching hubs') the students are trained throughout the day for the competitive exam.<br /><br />Inclusion of class 12 board exam performance is obviously the need of the hour.<br />At kota,the students enter the school premises only for the boards exams rest is taken care of by their masters.(I am citing example of my own cousin who is preparing since last 3yrs).<br />At delhi, the parents are ready to cough up as much required for what they call "senior faculty".<br /><br />But there is a counterview too.<br />At Hyderabad, which is said to produce jee top rankers since last three years, the coaching institutes teach 24*7 while the students also have to give the year end exams of their board(ANDHRA PRADESH BOARD) also.<br />What should we call this 'SCHOOL COACHING' or 'SPECIAL COACHING' while entering such schools requires one to clear entrance exam and be in top 300 out of 10,000.<br />And same is the case in some of delhi schools also.<br /><br />But here one has to accept the fact that aren't such literate parents be blamed for helping the brand coaching flourish be it "recession times" or whatever?<br /><br />Further i would like to give the the example of a well established institute in delhi running since decades which recently had all its centers sealed due to the some salary crisis of its faculty and the bank loans. The insitute was training more than 2000 students for jee, while its classes have been called off since last 5 months.<br />Here why are we only to blame the "brand coaching" and not the parents who are to ready to spend<br />lakhs of rupees for training their ward for 2yrs.<br /><br />Even if the coaching institutes suffer a drawback after the decision, (which seems irrelevant now) won't there be the tuition teachers who are ready to teach at one's convenience at his homeplace.<br />Won't this continue the era of coaching to further heights??Your friendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15963694658479642508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-6959062655976198242012-02-09T14:29:56.889+05:302012-02-09T14:29:56.889+05:30Converting coaching classes into schools will be a...Converting coaching classes into schools will be a very tough challenge, given the amount of regulation in the 'formal' education space.<br /><br />And I'm surprised no one is talking about this aspect of the policy-change in the mainstream media. Is this really something that the committee is targeting or possible side-effect that may or may not happen?Saurabh Nandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00867453089820169282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-10390661913542925982012-02-09T07:24:09.062+05:302012-02-09T07:24:09.062+05:30Thank you Prof Barua. I think this is a well thou...Thank you Prof Barua. I think this is a well thought out and timely proposal. The reasoning that you presented is also sound and balanced. Instead of endlessly arguing over whether a certain move is ideal, committee has decided to make a move that will have an overall positive effect. That is precisely how policy should be made.<br /><br />I hope this move is also coupled with other policy changes that will allow coaching classes to rebrand themselves as schools and colleges. There are many positive things about the coaching industry - it is streamlined, it has managed large scale, it is result oriented and it treats its faculty like superstars (something no other educational establishment in India does). Your move effectively channels these qualities to the benefit of students.<br /><br />I wish the committee the very best.Ankur Kulkarnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16411971742511540520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-14687340131513510372012-02-08T22:00:32.103+05:302012-02-08T22:00:32.103+05:30Dheeraj's Director is the Chairman of the Comm...Dheeraj's Director is the Chairman of the Committee working out the changes. Since all the details have not been worked out, they have not been released. Are we being secretive? Not really. The IIT Council and the NIT Council have both already approved the inclusion of Board results in Sept-Nov 2011. Many media reports have given some details of what is likely and what is feasible. I myself have given more than one interview which have been published indicating what is likely. I produce below excerpts (slightly edited) of on article I wrote for the IIT Bombay alumni magazine Fundamatica and which is available on the Net. The IIT JEE Board is meeting on Feb 18 and I hope things will take shape then.<br /><br />There is a proposal to change the way students are selected into the IIT system, and in fact into all institutes of technical education. The adverse impact of coaching on young minds has been identified as a major impediment to the natural intellectual growth of our youngsters. So there is a proposal to take into account the result of Board examinations in some form along with an aptitude test as part of a new admission policy. There is a lot of doubt in the minds of many as how the Board results of 30 odd Boards with different standards can be compared. How will the differences in these Boards be handled? Won’t there be marks inflation? The way the Board results are likely to be factored in is to use the percentile rank of a student as his / her marks out of hundred. So the rank of a student in his Board and the size of the Board he is in will decide his marks out of hundred. So if Board A has 100 students and the first 7 ranks are A1, A2, A3, A4, A5, A6, A7, and Board B has 50 students and the first 4 ranks are B1, B2, B3 and B4, then the overall ranks will be A1 B1 (tie), A2, A3 B2 (tie), A4, A5 B3 (tie), A6, A7 B4 (tie) . The marks a student gets will not be counted, only his rank in the Board will be. So marks inflation will not be an issue. Is this a fair method? We can have different opinions on this, as fairness is a complex issue, but we have to look at the overall result of the proposed changes and see if it is positive or not. There will a challenge of getting the results of all school Boards on time and in electronic form with all details. This scheme will not stop coaching, but it will ensure that it takes place for the Board exams also. More importantly, it will take place in the schools themselves. But then, is this not schooling? What will the coaching institutes do? They will have to convert themselves into schools. That will give us so many high quality schools!<br />Gautam Barua, IITG Directorgautam baruahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00395342178251076987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-23312639179006568112012-02-08T01:16:09.326+05:302012-02-08T01:16:09.326+05:30Being the dean of academic affairs at IITK I am su...Being the dean of academic affairs at IITK I am sure you must be having the director's ear. Can't you make him agree to your viewpoint so that he may present your case(which I personally agree with) at the ministry.prateekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17062322512909043317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-4146981456135208232012-02-06T17:39:40.319+05:302012-02-06T17:39:40.319+05:30Digbijoy: Obviously, the point is that our underst...Digbijoy: Obviously, the point is that our understanding of what constitutes 'general knowledge' varies from person to person. While you may find people who do not know names of states in NE India to be dumb, those same people may have better knowledge about eg. south Indian states, etc. Or they may have spent more time learning about History, some people take pride in their knowledge of their religions, etc. All in all, if some fact has come to the knowledge of an individual or if they are genuinely interested in it, they may pay more attention to it. Otherwise, maybe they won't. Making knowledge of such tidbits a criteria for deciding who is a worthy candidate only encourages students who are good at figuring out what people in positions of authority consider to be important - and going along with it. Focusing on such pieces of information privileges those students who are more well off and connected to such sources of information to begin with, and who may share the outlook on life of those people who set the papers. I would be the first to admit that this is a restriction of any kind of examination process, but an examination which has a focus on actual application of knowledge rather than rote memorization of facts dilutes this drawback, somewhat. JEE may not be perfect in this regard, but it is not nearly as bad as any of the board exams.<br /><br />My point is not that JEE is the ultimate test of one's abilities, but that board exams are worse than JEE. Although many great minds exist who did not clear JEE, I wonder how many of them were board exam toppers. I hope you are at least beginning to understand what I meant by comparing the two categories of students.<br /><br />Lastly, while Saswata's frustration at the existence of a place where mugging is not sufficient for admission may be showing, I for one long for the day when the tyranny of the state comes to and end, and people are content to describe themselves by their current understanding of the physical laws of the universe rather than petty bickering about nations and states.wonderwicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11745210084404197781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-47474553318999900362012-02-06T12:17:24.599+05:302012-02-06T12:17:24.599+05:30The new system will put additional stress on stude...The new system will put additional stress on students. <br />1. The students will have to excel in both the board exams and the aptitude-cum-advanced knowledge test. This will break the backs of students who are already burdened.<br />2. Coaching classes will proliferate even more. Already coaching classes are opening for aptitude tests and the schools are tying up with coaching classes for “extra coaching in all subjects for those wanting to go to IIT”. The HRD ministry knows this but prefers to ignore it.<br />3. Comparing the way a student studies for the JEE and for the board exam one will find it it’s the board exam which calls for rote learning. One will find sheer ‘mugging” can get one through board exams whereas for JEE one has to use the fundamentals they have learnt to solve new problems. <br />4. Besides now they want to put all the eggs in one basket and stress out the students further. Usually if a child misses JEE due to sickness or any other reason the child has the option to write the AIEEE. If there is only one exam and they miss it they will end up wasting a year.<br />5. There is great difference in the marking system as well as syllabus, question paper and correction across different boards. <br />6. Also as there is manual correction the same answer could be given different marks by different evaluators. <br />7. One cannot pretend that mass copying and cheating does not exist. A few years ago Mumbai Mirror brought out the fact that dozens of schools were found using an ‘open books” policy during the HSC exam in the town of Lathur. This is happening in many small towns in India. <br />8. A big reason for reforms was to reduce stress. If ministry really wants to reduce stress, it should ensure JEE can be taken more times (not just twice). So more exams and not less are needed to help the student.<br /><br />The main question is why? Why is Kapil Sibil concentrating so much on an entrance exam spending so much time and money and effort on it when they should be concentrating on the basics? More than half the population of our country has no access to education. There are not enough, schools and colleges in the country, the quality of teachers is falling dangerously every year, and quality of education in general is at an abysmal level at the primary school stage. Are all these people not “human resource”? <br />The next most important question that needs to be asked is why this haste? Why 2013? Why implement an untried and untested system in such a hurry? <br />The answers seem obvious. The reasons are as follows.<br />1. Evidently the HRD minister feels there is something to be gained by focusing on the entrance exam issue rather than on improving the general quality of education especially primary education. <br />2. The change needs to be done quickly before the general elections.<br />If these changes are implemented, the system will be opened up for corruption. Basically the JEE was foolproof all these years. No amount of money or influence could get people in. I guess in India the rich and influential who are used to getting whatever they want with their money and power cannot bear it so they are trying to open up the system to corruption. Every year lacs of students get 100 percent in board exams, who is better than whom? How will they accommodate them all in the IITs? Who will be the chosen few? Will it not become based on recommendation, money etc? <br />It is apparent that the HRD officials are very secretive and tightlipped about the details. Doing changes in such a secretive fashion is likely to create more problems and not solve existing problems. <br />One important information which proves that these changes are not being made with the best interests of the students. The T Ramasami committee, which is working on new single exam, chose to ignore the facts presented to them by the Indian Statistical Institute. CHk out http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/39468-now-jee-with-class-12-count-faces-feasibility-glare.html?tmpl=component&layout=default&page=Meehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06291869518958476753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-73170673673738329542012-02-03T14:57:52.196+05:302012-02-03T14:57:52.196+05:30India is such a vast country that any change in JE...India is such a vast country that any change in JEE will hardly make any difference. Any examination procedure will be as good as the current examination system or the previous ones. The competition itself is so fierce that it renders any examination procedure useless. On an average 1 out of every 50 students taking the JEE get into IITs. In fact, the full form of JEE should be Joint Elimination Examination. The top 2000 students getting into the IITs are definitely the best in the country and any change in the examination system would not affect them. For the remaining approx. 8000 students, it is almost a lottery. <br /><br />Coaching Institutes will never be shut down because of the fierce competition. They will merely adapt to the changing exam criteria. If Board exam results aree added to the selection criteria, they will start teaching for the Board examinations too.<br /><br />If IITs start giving weightage to Board marks, how will they exactly do it??? We have so many state boards in the country along with the Central Boards. Some are easier than the others. The syllabus is also widely different. Also there is a huge question mark on the way state board exams are conducted. At least the JEE in the current form is clean. Will the new proposed system not produce inherent biases to some sections of the populace ??? <br /><br />Also, there is too much politics surrounding the JEE. To cater to the political demands, JEE has not been able to increase the cut-off percentage in Boards beyond the meaningless 60%. <br /><br />We may think of bringing the entire country under one huge umbrella, the CBSE. But the state boards do serve a purpose. Just to cater to the demands of the both the urban and the rural population, the standards of CBSE has fallen drastically. The examination has become so easy that it has lost its discriminating capability, the most important criteria for an elimination exam like the JEE. <br /><br />I may be cynical.But in spite of the problems with the current JEE, given the circumstances it may be the best possible solution.Nikhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04506058453703308718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-32500004217648764552012-02-03T00:45:08.069+05:302012-02-03T00:45:08.069+05:30Alright, let me not put any more arguments/opinion...Alright, let me not put any more arguments/opinions here to stress the topic :-)<br /><br />Just to wind up: my 'frustration' for neglect of NE has absolutely nothing to do with the question of changing/not changing JEE pattern. The question about NE states was just a simple example to show how dumb some students can really be ! As I said above, a person can be a fantastic engineer or an acclaimed business expert etc. even if he/she doesn't know that Dr. Manmohan Singh is our country's PM or that the moon is the natural satellite of the earth. It's fine. 'Success' doesn't depend on general knowledge, trivia or geography or history. <br /><br /><br />And finally, Wonderwice, I'm not sure what you intended to say by suggesting a comparison between the two categories of students. [Btw, Saswata's points/comments are very true, from my personal experience.]. What I wish to say is that, there are a lot of IITians who have brought laurels and great fame to our country over the years, and we are proud of them. At the same time, there are a lot of non-IITians who brought fame and reputation too. Example ? Abdul Kalam, Nobel Laureate Venkatraman Ramakrishnan (he failed to clear JEE - he admitted), etc.Digbijoy Nathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00676969785957849229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-10594501855955045102012-02-02T21:29:11.629+05:302012-02-02T21:29:11.629+05:30Completely agree with Dr Sanghi's data-driven ...Completely agree with Dr Sanghi's data-driven approach. It will put all the facts on the table -- wonder why policy makers don't do their homework and suggest a policy change *along with* such data and justifications.Saurabh Nandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00867453089820169282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-71234292096444005792012-02-02T19:13:10.085+05:302012-02-02T19:13:10.085+05:30If people are so concerned with general knowledge ...If people are so concerned with general knowledge of history and geography, the govt. should just make an objective type, standardized quiz on general knowledge and trivia - far better than testing people on the ability and willingness to appreciate aesthetics over functionality and to go along with prevailing prejudices instead of thinking for themselves.wonderwicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11745210084404197781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-60297298013088908112012-02-02T17:52:44.642+05:302012-02-02T17:52:44.642+05:30@Saurabh
Please check the website of one famous ...@Saurabh <br /><br />Please check the website of one famous Kota-based coaching center (http://www.resonance.ac.in/reso/index.aspx) to understand which class one starts preparing for IIT-JEE exam. Their so called "per-foundation" coaching (which destroys the foundation of a student) starts from class VII, at a stage when a student should focus on acquiring general knowledge from their school textbooks, in addition to grasping the basic concepts of science and math. <br /><br />Please remember that these coaching centers admit students after an admission test, which forces the students to ignore acquiring knowledge of geography and history. A day might come when an IITian will not know the name of their state and country, but will only know that (s)he lives in the space-time model defined by Elbert Einstein :P Will that not be a shame to the country?Saswatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14574415601055749322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-35468721497087572252012-02-02T15:51:50.293+05:302012-02-02T15:51:50.293+05:30@SASWATA: In which class do you think they teach b...@SASWATA: In which class do you think they teach basic stuff like 'rivers in India' & 'political map of India'? In which class do you think people study for IIT coaching, while ignoring their school curriculum? Answer these two questions and you'll see the flaw in your argument.<br /><br />Btw, this is because of Indian behaviour rooted in the herd mentality and/or gaming the system. If it were not IIT-JEE people would be gaming the civil services, medical entrance, or bank exams. It's because *parents* do not see an ROI in studying the school curriculum. They see an ROI (read, 'respectable jobs') in gaming/cracking professional entrance exams.Saurabh Nandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00867453089820169282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-2079316158597980862012-02-02T15:40:18.293+05:302012-02-02T15:40:18.293+05:30Two years back, a Kota-trained IIT student accompa...Two years back, a Kota-trained IIT student accompanied me to Rishikesh for a river rafting excursion. He asked the boatman about the name of the river he had been rafting on :P <br /><br />Few days back, I got a letter from an ex-IIT student. The address of the letter mentions that Guwahati is in West Bengal :P (The non-IITian postman somehow delivered the letter to me.) <br /><br />Come on Prof. Sanghi, it's well-known that a few state boards have tied up with coaching centers so that students don't need to study for subjects like history, geography and literature, but rather only need to intelligently guess answers for physics, chemistry and math questions. Is it not unfair to the students of other boards? <br /><br />In my opinion, the IIT council is going to take a right decision which will bust this IIT-JEE admission racket.Saswatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14574415601055749322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-45178285221034237582012-02-02T14:57:55.565+05:302012-02-02T14:57:55.565+05:30@Nanda apparently this guy passed out in 2008, so ...@Nanda apparently this guy passed out in 2008, so his understanding of 'years back' may not be the same as yours.<br /><br />@Digbijoy I see your frustration at the relative neglect of the north-eastern part of the country, but I would not blame your ragging victim for the obscurity this region faces among the populace of the rest of India.<br /><br />Manu Joseph's article epitomises much that is wrong with Indian 'intelligentsia'. Most of the article is spent drumming up misandry. I wonder if these self-hating men ever take a look in the mirror to see what gender they themselves belong to. The rest is split among gloating at the success of Kapil Sibal in destroying the IIT brand, and bemoaning the ability of relatively objective criteria like JEE to break down class barriers for those willing to put in years of brute hard work - unlike his chosen field of journalism, where 'merit' equals the ability to conform to social norms.<br /><br />It is easy for people to get confused by the examples of smart people who did well in both board exams and the JEE. The really interesting comparison is between people who did well in JEE but not in board exams, and vice-versa. Just think of the two kinds among the people you know, and you will know who really shows more understanding and application.wonderwicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11745210084404197781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-17864738873210869972012-02-02T12:34:42.058+05:302012-02-02T12:34:42.058+05:30Ya Saurabh, you're right.
So I am wondering h...Ya Saurabh, you're right.<br /><br />So I am wondering how my argument is flawed, since in 12th board, guys do learn a little bit about other "unimportant" things apart from calculus, organic chemistry and thermodynamics :-)Digbijoy Nathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00676969785957849229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-15755657929615875482012-02-02T11:33:42.366+05:302012-02-02T11:33:42.366+05:30@digbijoy nath: Many years ago wasn't being a ...@digbijoy nath: Many years ago wasn't being a board topper the only way to get into BITS Pilani? Isn't your argument flawed, in that case.Saurabh Nandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00867453089820169282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-3072023445413652132012-02-02T11:32:03.046+05:302012-02-02T11:32:03.046+05:30This is not the only piece of 'legislation'...This is not the only piece of 'legislation' that is being rushed without public debate. I'm sure it won't be debated in the parliament/ministry/wherever, like many other bills/subordinate legislations.<br /><br />Law making in India is a joke, albeit a cruel one.Saurabh Nandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00867453089820169282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4273139713770751485.post-14263362448474954152012-02-02T06:24:45.624+05:302012-02-02T06:24:45.624+05:30weightage to 12th board exams is a good thing. Stu...weightage to 12th board exams is a good thing. Students need to have some minimum knowledge of things other than Physics, Math and Chemistry... .. Why ? <br /><br />Years back when I was a final yr student at BITS Pilani, I was 'speaking' to a fresher, who was very depressed and gloomy that he just missed getting a decent branch/discipline in some IIT (old ones, the new ones weren't established then), and had an offer of Architecture 'only', so he forced himself to take up Comp. Science in BITS..he said he had studied so hard for JEE.... <br /><br />I asked "how many states are there in north-east India?" ...<br /><br />He replied: "Two, Sir. Shillong and Guwahati." <br /><br />Well, you might argue one doesn't need to know how many stats are there in NE india to achieve success in life.. well, then you don't need to know who Barack Obama is, or what planet we live on, to achieve 'success' in life !<br /><br /><br />digbijoyDigbijoy Nathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00676969785957849229noreply@blogger.com